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SeanCostin

USA
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Posted - 01/08/2009 :  19:11:49  Show Profile
This 5% backup rule that was created because people did not believe that Team Cheetah legitimately broke the 200M record. This short sighted requirement has caused nothing but problems ever since. It is an arbitrary rule and considering it is extremely difficult to get record breaking conditions within 6 days of an event like one held at Battle Mountain it can be a ridiculous difficult requirement. What if Ellen van Vugt, was to exceed the women's 200M record on the last day of an event by more than 5% or 3.34 MPH. Unless she was able to convince 10 volunteers to stick around Battle Mountain until she backs it up, she is completely out of luck. If we can't figure out how to time someone properly the first time, then we shouldn't even be doing this.


Here is how the requirement reads:

Effective November 1997, For speed trial records only, a mandatory back-up run that is within 5% of the speed of the record run is required within 10 days (either before or after) the record run. This back-up run is required for distances of 4,000 meters or less.


Sean Costin
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Edited by - SeanCostin on 01/11/2009 14:33:38

SeanCostin

USA
32 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2009 :  19:13:39  Show Profile
Sorry I misspelled Ellen van Vugt. and the editor does not seem to be working.

Sean
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Matjaz Leskovar

Slovenia
4 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2009 :  00:35:51  Show Profile  Visit Matjaz Leskovar's Homepage
I agree, but we should add in the rules that if there is a justified suspision that there was something wrong with the timing, that such a record is not recognized (I think that is obvious, but despite that I think it is better to write it down). In UCI cycling you need not backup run.

Best regards, Matjaz
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johntolhurst

Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2009 :  16:43:23  Show Profile  Visit johntolhurst's Homepage
I would have thought what you needed was an appeal process, where if there was evidence the timing was corrupted then the timing outcome could be challenged.

John Tolhurst; Design Director, Cruzbike Inc.
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Larry Lem

USA
40 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2012 :  13:44:38  Show Profile
Hooray, Tom Amick and Phil Plath have a backup run!

Larry Lem
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Mr Larrington

Christmas Island
4 Posts

Posted - 09/20/2012 :  16:23:40  Show Profile  Visit Mr Larrington's Homepage
My fading memory-branes have almost convinced me that this rule was binned some time ago for mass-participation events like Battle Mountain, but would still be required if some group of oddballs went off to $STRANGE_LOCATION to do their own private Idaho attempt.

Did I imagine it? Garrie might remeber...

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Satisfying the bloodlust of the masses in peacetime
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Don S

USA
81 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2012 :  18:09:32  Show Profile
quote:
would still be required if some group of oddballs went off to $STRANGE_LOCATION to do their own private Idaho attempt.

Thank you Mr. Larrington! It's good to know that someone is watching our back. <G>

I would suggest that if the legitimate conditions of an IHPVA record attempt are met (approved timing equipment, surveyed course, official observers, etc.) any record verified by and uncontested by those official observers should stand regardless of the teams ability to provide a backup run. The purpose of an IHPVA sanctioned event is to see records broken, not to set up obstacles than a privately financed event may not be able to overcome.

Don

"it's important to understand what makes them fast. It's more important to understand what keeps them from going faster." DS
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Don S

USA
81 Posts

Posted - 12/03/2012 :  18:53:43  Show Profile
Does anyone have follow up information on the status of backup run requirements? I may have missed it but I didn't see the requirement in the current web version of the official IHPVA rules or in the posted 1997 and 1998 amendments to the rules but there are two references to the backup run requirement in the Guide for Setting IHPVA Sanctioned Records. Note that the web version of this document does not appear to have been updated and is not made a part of the official rules.

Don

"it's important to understand what makes them fast. It's more important to understand what keeps them from going faster." DS
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Larry Lem

USA
40 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2012 :  11:00:39  Show Profile
found it - hiding next to arm power rules.

3.5 SPRINT RECORDS: For speed trial records only, a mandatory back-up run that is within 5% of the speed of the record run is required within 10 days (either before or after) the record run. This back-up run is required for distances of 4,000 meters or less.



Larry Lem
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Don S

USA
81 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2012 :  18:30:08  Show Profile
Thanks Larry! I'm glad Tom had Phil had a backup run but one can hardly help but agree with Sean that this is a rule that could pose an impossible burden on a competitor and could prevent a legitimate record performance from being officially recognized. Having this rule rescinded should be a goal of all members during the coming year.

Don
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